EWCA Crim 67
A judge giving an indication of sentence upon a guilty plea pursuant to R. v Goodyear (Karl)  EWCA Crim 888,  1 W.L.R. 2532 could properly take a notional post-trial sentence as a starting point. That notional sentence was not, however, binding on the judge if the defendant did not plead guilty and was convicted.
CA (Crim Div) (Hughes LJ, Wilkie J, Judge Warwick McKinnon (Recorder of Croydon))